Wow. I can't think of a time that a sequel has blown me away like this. It's even more impressive as I thought that the first movie was such a so-so experience. There were things I liked and things I didn't, but I did not care to see it again. This is not the case here.
Everything that I didn't like about the first Spiderman has been accounted for. Where the special effects and fight scenes in the first Spiderman looked about as real as a claymation episode of Davey and Goliath, here they have really gotten it together. We've all already seen two people punch and kick each other in a movie; I don't know if it's ever going to be done better than The Matrix or Fist of Legends. Instead Spiderman 2 gives us something far more playful: Doc Ock's mechanical arms fly around ripping around the scenery as Spidey jumps wall to wall avoiding him. They climb up a building, just to fall back down. It has a timing that you can't get anywhere else these days.
And Doctor Octopus is so much fun here. Speaking as a comic book geek, I have to say that the good Doctor is still my favorite member of spidey's old rogue gallery (let's discount Venom for the purposes of this discussion). I'll always prefer Hobgoblin to the either of the tired Green Goblins and anyway, I thought Willem Dafoe was way too hammy as the Goblin; he played up for laughs like Evil Ash of Army of Darkness than someone who was an actual villian. Alfred Molina does it just right, as some guy who really isn't in control of any of the things he's doing: science or superpowers.
And since I just recently saw Frida, I kept thinking it was Diego Rivera throwing bank vaults and taxi cabs at Spiderman ("You knew I was supervillian with mechanical arms when you married me Frida!"), which I could totally see happening for some reason.
Where the first movie felt very rushed and formulaic, as if it had to get from point A to point B without making any stop, this movie takes its time filling in the corners and throwing you unexpected, sometimes hilarious, suprises. A lot of the deeper character development and humor may be due to Michael Chabon presence as a screenwriter, whose "The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay" is a 700 page Pulitizer award winning ode to the love and power of comic books.
And the actors actually get to act for a change. Toby McGuire and Kristin Dunst are the cutest couple on screen, taking the eternal drama of the romantic relationship of Parker and MJ in all kinds of new directions. James Franco helps flush out the cast with a sharp performance of the unstable Harry Osborn. Sam Raimi keeps it all in check with the right balance of action, pathos and humor (the scene of Peter having a great day for a change is priceless). And he even gets to throw his old fans a bone: watch for a cameo by Bruce Campbell and a scene in an operation room that has all the quick cuts, tilted angles, violence and chainsaws of any of the two Evil Dead movies.
I sometimes felt as if the first Spiderman movie, while very long, was far too short. They had to cover the lengthy origin of Spiderman and the Goblin and their inevitable showdown. There was no time left over to actually create something that had much beyond the simple story. I simply misjudged – this was the actual movie I was waiting for, and it was definitely worth the wait.
Ambrosini says:
Just saw it last night, and thought it was waaay better than the first. I completely agree with everything you said. My favorite thing they changed was the actual suit, they added so much more texture to it. Is it just my bad memory, or is that astronaut(I can't even remember his name now) the same guy that turns into venom?
mike says:
The astronaut was named something Jameson (imdb has it as John Jameson) – Eddie Brock turns into Venom, and Cletus Kassady turns into Carnage. I don't think we've ever met one of Jameson's kids in the comics, but I could be wrong on that.
Dr. Connors, the physics teacher, turns into The Lizard in the comics series.
Dave says:
Jameson Jr. is in the comic. He was Man-Wolf. I'm very sorry to know that. I don't think they introduced him to BE Venom, Raimi doesn't like the character. But I think they put it in there just to allow for that continuity, and to give a few folks a tiny little geeek hard-on.
I liked the first movie, apart from the Goblin, who looked shitty, and didn't really much seem like the character from the books. Never mind. I agree with a lot of the criticisms of the first film, but I think a lot of the problems were introduced by trying to bring Spider-Man to a mainstream marker. Pretty much all the problems with plot and pacing were a direct result of having to introduce a lot of elements and characters very quickly. It seemed like it was rrushing, but in the end I think most people should have been pretty pleased with it.
Just saw one of those Godawful MTV 'making of' shows for the second movie. I have a tiny geek hard-on of my own now. Everything looked fucking awesome.
mike says:
ouch. I've been bested. Nice Dave. Yes, Jameson Jr. is Man-Wolf, one of the worst supervillians this side of Boomerrang, Stilt-Man, and the Vulture. I can't even remember a Man-Wolf issue – didn't they ditch him in the 70s?
Internet rumor mills are wondering if they'll rework Jameson Jr. into Venom. That would be really cool i think.
Ambrosini says:
ok I remember the name Eddie Brock now. The whole astronaut thing has to be for a reason though. I hope they put Venom into the movies, I like the concept behind him.
I also completely forgot about Carnage, what was the story with him? I just remember playing the Genesis game where you fight him…
Dave says:
Don't feel too bad, I've got enough of that for both of us. Yeah, they dropped him pretty early on, because he was shit.
John Jameson as Venom would be OK. In the Ultimate series, Venom is some sort of artificial skin Peter Parker's dad invented. So long as they don't deviate that far, I'm fine.
To be fair, I only knew that much because I have nothing to do between 8 – 10 every evening but read up on comics continuity and get paid for it.
Ambrosini says:
well as for never meeting Jameson's kid.
"Amazing Spider-Man #1 – 3/63
1st J. Jonah Jameson, 1st John Jameson, 1st Daily Bugle, 1st Chameleon. Origin Spider-Man. Spider-Man in his very own comic title. 2 stories. Spider-Man tries to join the Fantastic Four with his first meeting and battle with them. In second story, he battles the Chameleon for the first time, then saves John Jameson from a space capsule."
http://www.samruby.com/History/Timeline/timeline1963.htm
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